Summary:
Lesson 188 shows methods to devotion to attain Godhood. Krishna also summaries the 2 only Spiritual practices in existence: Karma-Yoga and Jnana-Yoga.
Source: Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 62, 63, 64, 65, 66
Revision:
- VERSE 56-62 TOPIC: Devotion to Truth by means of Karma-Yoga.
- What is Karma-Yoga? A doctor doing his duty well, saving patients lives, is not Karma-Yoga. The doctor needs:
- To recognize Ishvara as the karma-phala-data (all results comes from God and all actions are possible only because of God),
- Life a prayerful life.
- Taking refuge in God (acknowledging Him by various spiritual practices).
- What is Karma-Yoga? A doctor doing his duty well, saving patients lives, is not Karma-Yoga. The doctor needs:
- VERSE 56:
- Doing proper actions by Karma-Yoga > gives “My grace”.
- What is grace? Ever-available/favorable for person's growth. Involves acting per svabhāva (one's natural strengths that others find unnatural/hard) + being assertive.
- Ishvara can't help the lazy. Needs you to act FIRST.
- Surrender to Īśvara means:
- Understand all actions are means to an end.
- Perform yajna as it acknowledges God.
- Ishvara arpana (entrusted): Offer responsibly to God's alter as you-jiva are a trustee in His world.
- Ishvara prasada: Since Bhagavan alone IS; this means you are ever receive from the infallible-intelligent-order (karma-phala-data).
- VERSE 57:
- Karma-Yoga = Buddhi-Yoga. Why “yoga of intellect”? Because Karma-Yoga engages your viveka (discernment) of dṛṣṭa/adṛṣṭa (seen/unseen consequences; thus mindful) and healthy/unhealthy behaviors. Both require analysis.
- VERSE 58:
- Krishna gives warning if one doesn't engage Buddhi-Yoga. If choose to slack (impulsive/mechanical thinking); you will perish. Body will perish; rebirth. And will be pulled down by ancient tama-guna notions.
- VERSE 59:
- Krishna further advises that withdrawing (not engaging in Buddhi-Yoga), is unwise. Because engaging opens access points to unconscious mind; which are governing our perception. If they remain buried, perception/change is won't sustain.
- Withdrawing = inertia = tama-guna = moha (delusion).
- VERSE 60:
- Naturally mind will ask “Why shouldn't I withdraw?”. It seeks rational. Because your svabhāva (natural inclinations) will compel you to express yourself accordingly. If they remain buried, they manifest as agitations.
- VERSE 61:
- Lord (like electricity) is in intellect of all beings. He (awareness; brahman) is activating all jivas to move think, just as electricity causes all appliances to function.
- When atma (awareness) pervades the instrument > instrument helplessly acts (according to V60; svabhava).
- Therefore who has free-will? The electricity or the appliance? Lord (awareness; Self) or body-mind? The later.
- I (awareness) don't have free-will.
- I (body-mind) have free-will.
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 62:
tam eva śaraṇam gaccha sarva-bhāvena bhārata ।
tat prasādāt parām śāntim sthānam prāpsyasi śāśvatam ॥ 18-62॥
Surrender to Him alone with your whole heart, Bhārata (Arjuna)! By His grace you will gain absolute peace, the eternal abode. (Swami Dayananda)
- Jīva has 2 choices every day:
- Live an impulsive/mechanical life driven by samskaras.
- Take to deliberate actions, striving to align them to serve the well-being of the environment (benefits larger quantity of people). This kind of living invokes, tat prasādāt; His grace.
- In other words, take to Karma-Yoga, which produces a God-centered perspective.
- Then prāpsyasi parāṃ śāntim śāśvataṃ sthānam; you shall attain supreme peace (moksha) and the eternal abode [while alive and after death].
VERSE 63-66: Summary
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 63:
iti te jñānam ākhyātam guhyāt guhyataraṃ mayā ।
vimṛśya etat aśeṣeṇa yathā icchasi tathā kuru ॥ 18-63॥
Thus (this) knowledge, more secret than every (other) secret, has been imparted to you by Me. Having analysed this completely, do as you like.
- Whole Gita (manual for liberation) can be divided into 2 paths: Karma-Yoga & Jnana-Yoga.
- Krishna says in BG CH3.3: Two-fold lifestyle in this world was told by Me in the beginning. Pursuit of knowledge and pursuit of karma-yoga.
- Every practice other then knowledge falls under Karma-Yoga.
- Regarding “Bhakti-Yoga” mentioned in CH12; it is not a separate path, but mixture of Karma-Yoga & Jnana-Yoga.
- In CH18, Karma-Yoga was called sattvic-dispositions; otherwise a combination of:
- sannyasa
- renunciation of of actions for desires objects / personal gain / future agenda, but rather directed for well-being or serving.
- giving up or renouncing actions that are to suit personal fancies/desires).
- tyaga
- renunciation of specific results or expectations per personal fancies, from our actions.
- giving up or renouncing like-dislike oriented expectations/results from actions).
- Sannyasa + Tyaga definition = Karma-Yoga.
- sannyasa
- Verse:
- Jñānam ākhyātam te mayā; This knowledge has been imparted to you by Me [since CH2.11].
- guhyataram ākhyātam guhyāt; Don’t take this teaching for granted because it is knowledge of all knowledges.
- vimṛśya etat aśeṣeṇa, kuru yathā icchasi; I don’t want to tell you what to do. Reflect well on what was advised and do as you wish. Act with discernment. Because (a) You’ve heard enough to make an informed choice. (b) Uniform advice is impossible since everyone is in different stage.
- Knowing this, all Krishna can do is pray the student knows where things fit and purpose of each sadhana.
- Krishna also implies he doesn’t want Arjuna to be dependent on him. Because (a) wanting to be wanted is a form of samsara (b) wanting to depend is samsara.
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 64:
sarva-guhyatamam bhūyaḥ śṛṇu me paramam vacaḥ ।
iṣṭaḥ asi me dṛḍham iti tataḥ vakṣyāmi te hitam ॥ 18-64॥
Again listen to My supreme word, the most secret of all. Since you are very dear to Me, hence I shall tell what is good for you.
- Verse demonstrates the infinite compassion and patience of God, who expresses His love as continuous advice for our well-being through the scriptures, sages, and saints.
- In this way, Krishna makes one last attempt to advise Arjuna. Perhaps Krishna is worried Arjuna may subscribe to old ways.
- He says: bhūyaḥ śrṛṇu me paramaṃ vacaḥ; again listen to My supreme words. Once again I will summarize the Gita!
- Why is Kṛṣṇa repeating again? Because, iti asi dṛḍham iṣṭaḥ; you are very dear to Me. You have listened so long, so out of My Infinite Love, I reach out to you again.
- NEXT TWO VERSES: Summarize 2 stages that lead to moksha through Karma-Yoga & Jnana-Yoga (which makes up BGita book).
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 65:
mat-manāḥ bhava mat-bhaktaḥ mat-yājī mām namaskuru ।
mām eva eṣyasi satyam te pratijāne priyaḥ asi me ॥ 18-65॥
Become one whose mind is offered to Me, one whose devotion is to Me, one whose worship is to Me; do salutations to Me. You will reach Me alone. I truly promise you. (Because) you are dear to Me. (Swami Dayananda)
- Summarizes Karma-Yoga (using verse CH9.34). Otherwise, called devotion OR surrender.
- In reference to Devotion/Worship (yajna):
- What are methods to devotion/worship?
- Declaring what matters to you. Slowly shifts your thinking.
- Puja. 2 Steps: (a) Offer (b) Ask.
- Japa. Repetition of Lord’s name. EG: Om Tat Sat, Om namaḥ śivāya.
- Pranayama: breath control.
- Dānam: Charity (resources, time, your care, monetary). CAUTION: Don’t fall for pride arising from doing-good, else it reinforces the kartā/bhoktā.
- Dhyanam (meditation): can be open/closed eyes as discussed last session.
- Reading about / watching God’s glories.
- Svādhyāya (Self-study): Of Bhagavad Gita (because it’s essence of Vedas). Understanding nature of:
- Jiva: 3 bodies.
- Jagat: 5 elements / mithya resolvable into space-time (distance & amount-of-changes) which is a mere concept resolving into IS-ness.
- Ishvara: Higher Existence-Awareness & lower 3 guna/māyā. Knower/Known. Spirit/Matter.
- What are methods to devotion/worship?
- In reference to Karma-Yoga:
- ACTIONS: Can’t be given up; only give up prohibited (adharma / Niṣiddha-karma).
- DUTIES IN LIFE: Doing others duties well-done is worse then doing own duty aligned with own aptitude/inclination (svabhava).
- How to balance duties between yourself and others? EG: Wife/boss/friends/you are all demanding attention.
- We consider our ROLE as an instrument of God (instead of husband, son, worker). And that our effort is service to God (and not various individuals).
- Rational? In V61, it was stated that Lord resides in the heart of all living beings.
- This is one meaning of CH2.11, when Krishna said: “Do not to grieve for those [bodies] who do not deserve to be grieved.”
- IE: All these bodies are mere instruments, as is your body. Some instruments have made unwise decisions (EG: Drona, Bhishma). See them as mere instruments, not “my guru, my friends”.
- One starts to see all results as delivery of the infallible-Intelligent-Order; hence is less troubled by favorable or unfavorable events. Hold vision bigger then the small jiva and the perceptible world (jagat).
- We consider our ROLE as an instrument of God (instead of husband, son, worker). And that our effort is service to God (and not various individuals).
- How to balance duties between yourself and others? EG: Wife/boss/friends/you are all demanding attention.
- VERSE:
- mat-manāḥ: fix the mind on Me.
- Method 1:
- Before you can “fix the mind”, must know what is it that it’s fixing on. The Lord. But what is the Lord?
- Upadana-karanam: material case. Material from which creation IS.
- Nimitta-karanam: Efficient/intelligent cause. Intelligence which puts materials into a functional synergy.
- Therefore when you “fix the mind on God”, the mind is recognizing whatever material it’s fixed on, is nothing but Lord. That’s why “feeling Ishvara's presence” is ignorance, because the very mind that’s trying to feel Ishvara — is Ishvara (material; upadana-karanam).
- EG: Sperm meiosis includes (a) splitting; intelligent-cause, and (b) division; material-cause.
- Before you can “fix the mind”, must know what is it that it’s fixing on. The Lord. But what is the Lord?
- Method 2:
- Summary: Classify thoughts as Matter (3 gunas). Claim nature as Spirit/Formless (Brahman).
- STEP 1: Start to inquire, “What is the same about every thought?”.
- EG: It came in time. It’s different. It is uncalled for. It is either pleasant/unpleasant. It’s filled with visuals/sounds/feelings.
- STEP 2: Put entire thought bubble into apara-prakriti (Matter).
- STEP 3: Ask, “What presence is still true now as it was before the thought came?”. The Existence-Awareness (sat-cit) presence.
- STEP 4: Claim your nature by stating: “I (as Existence-Awareness presence), am free of all experiences/sensations that manifest into my awareness”.
- Method 1:
- mat-yājī: Be My worshipper.
- Take to noble actions. Contributing to well-being of others. That’s how the Lord is worshipped-in-action. Also means, take to: prayers, puja, tapas, danam, etc.
- namaskuru mām: Surrender to Me.
- Take to life of Karma-Yoga (4 levels: Align aptitude to career > Bring in ethics > What bigger thing are you representing > Only representing Ishvara) / arpana & prasada.
- eṣyasi mām eva satyaṃ pratijāne te: Do this and I promise you will reach the highest.
- If not into jñāna-yoga: Mind will become jñāna-yoga-friendly.
- If into jñāna-yoga: Mind enjoys accelerated ignorance-removal.
- mat-manāḥ: fix the mind on Me.
- NEXT VERSE: Jnana-Yoga summary…
Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 18, Verse 66:
sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam śaraṇam vraja ।
aham tvā sarva-pāpebhyaḥ mokṣyayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ ॥ 18-66॥
Giving up all karmas, take refuge in Me [the non-dual] alone. I will release you from all karmas; do not grieve.
- This is the final teaching verse in BGita. It summarizes Jnana-Yoga implicitly (through implied meaning).
- Also highly MISINTERPRETED verse. EG:
- parityajya sarva-dharmān: Renounce all dharma (which further has several meanings: God, nature of a thing, duties, values of life, spiritual practices).
- vraja mām ekam śaraṇam: Seek Me [Krishna] as your shelter. Hence people will say “Don’t worship any God but Krishna”.
- VERSE: (by help of Adi Shankara commentaries on this verse)
- parityajya sarva-dharmān: Renounce all dharma.
- Don’t take literally. Need to look at implied meaning.
- Add “adharma” also. Because Krishna has stated previously “give up adharma” (EG: CH16, removal of asura-sampat).
- What do we mean by “dharma”?
- If “Dharma” is interpreted as “NOBLE ACTIONS”, then…
- It means, renounce all Punya-karma (all proper kāyikam/vācikam/mānasam karmāni). In which case we must also add “Renounce all adharma”, because Krishna stated previously in CH16 (asura-sampat).
- So renounce all punya-papa-karma. In short: renounce all actions.
- OBJECTION: How can a living being renounce all actions, when Krishna stated actions can’t be renounced long as alive (CH3.5 [No one remains for a second without performance of actions due to gunas], CH18.11)?
- ANSWER: Must keep entire Gita in mind wherein Krishna says all karmas belong to BMI complex; never ātmā. Long as “I” identity is in BMI, then dharma/adharma cannot be renounced. Hence renouncing is only possible by recognizing Self is not doer (of the dharma/adharma).
- It means, renounce all Punya-karma (all proper kāyikam/vācikam/mānasam karmāni). In which case we must also add “Renounce all adharma”, because Krishna stated previously in CH16 (asura-sampat).
- SUMMARY: Renounce the BMI (that which generates dharma/adharma).
- OBJECTION: If I was never the BMI, then how can I renounce it?
- ANSWER: You are not renouncing the BMI, but ignorance/notion that made Self think that “I am BMI”.
- OBJECTION: If Self is not a mind, how can Self “think” it is the BMI?
- ANSWER: Due to association to mind, Self (upahita) was a thinker as it couldn’t tell itself apart from the upadhi.
- OBJECTION: If I was never the BMI, then how can I renounce it?
- If “Dharma” is interpreted as “NOBLE ACTIONS”, then…
- Don’t take literally. Need to look at implied meaning.
- vraja mām ekam: Reach Me [Krishna], the nondual.
- Question: What is the meaning of “Me” (the Lord)?
- 3 Meanings:
- Eka-rupa: Personal God (Rama, Krishna) with form.
- Aneka-rupa / Vishva-rupa: Seen in CH11. God is every form in the universe.
- Arupa / Nirguna-Brahman / parā-prakṛti (CH7) / kṣetrajña (CH13): Verse is referring to this, established in word “ekam” (the One; one without a second).
- 3 Meanings:
- Question: How does the jiva “approach/reach” the all-pervading One?
- Don’t take word “reach” directly, but implied. Dropping false notion there is a distance/difference between “I” and the Limitless One (Brahman).
- Therefore the ultimate surrender (saranagati) is dropping the false notion (by right knowledge) by śravaṇam, mananam, nididhyāsanam — as stated by Krishna in BG4.34 (…by asking proper questions, those wise will teach you this knowledge).
- OBJECTION: How can Adi Shankara say sharanagati (surrender) is jnanam (when it’s mostly associated with personal-deity worship)?
- Because Veda (it's conclusion in entirety) declares God can only be attained by jnanam.
- Upanishads declare, there is only ONE other way to get moksha without jnanam: Roll the sky like a mattress.
- Krishna stated throughout BGita:
- BG4.33: Jnana is superior to Yajnas. Every action culminates in knowledge.
- BG7.18: All these (ajnani devotees) are certainly noble. However the wise man (jnanin) is myself.
- Question: What is the meaning of “Me” (the Lord)?
- What is the benefit of assimilated knowledge?
- mām ekam śaraṇam; The Limitless One (Brahman) alone is the only real refuge from samsara, because only Brahman is beyond time/space.
- ahaṃ tvā mokṣayiṣyāmi; I shall release you from all past sins [and merits as both are merely iron/gold chains, both which guarantee rebirth].
- parityajya sarva-dharmān: Renounce all dharma.
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Credit for help in Bhagavad Gita teaching given to Swami Dayananda (Arsha Vidya), Paramarthananda & Chinmaya Mission.
Recorded 18 Oct, 2022
You make an Important distinction with respect to ‘who’ has free will.
Free will is for the Jiva, not Atman.
It also raises what is probably the last thing I ( the Jiva Robert) can’t yet reconcile with the desire for moksha.
I keep asking this question in different ways and am yet to fully understand and assimilate the answer.
I hope you don’t find this too tedious.
Q.
Free will cannot be for Atman as it doesn’t will, or act, or think, or experience.
Without these attributes or capacities, in what way does Atman know itself?
Mere naked existence does not seem attractive to Jiva Robert.
If I can’t know about or experience my freedom, then in what way can I ( Jiva Robert) be said to be free, except from the stand point of non existence.
From the point of reference of reality experienced by the Jiva ‘ absorption’ into Brahman by knowledge leads to the annihilation of the Jiva.
This seems very much like the Buddhist concept of the void, or Sunyata.
They make the statement that
“ the void is the plenum’.
This can only be understood from the perspective that the infinite potential is contained in the nothingness.
Hardly a logical or attractive position I have always thought!
In deep sleep we are not aware of our liberation from Upadi.
Without a mind to cognise, how can it be said that we are ‘ aware’ of moksha?
To say that I am that awareness, that existence and limitless knowledge ,still doesn’t lead to any understanding on my part of what the pay off is for me if I can’t experience this state of being.
I ( the Jiva Robert who is having this human experience and thinking these thoughts) have obviously become entangled in some sort of fundamental misunderstanding.
Any help appreciated.
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Free will cannot be for Atman as it doesn’t will, or act, or think, or experience.
Without these attributes or capacities, in what way does Atman know itself?
Mere naked existence does not seem attractive to Jiva Robert.
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ANSWER 1:
I (atma) doesn’t need to know I (atma). Because I am self-revealing. I am never not Present as the One because of whom I know that I AM (ānanda; infinite bliss in whom nothing is outside of).
Establishing this fact, question is presupposing that attributes/capacities (like will/thinking/experience) are NEEDED to Reveal You. When in fact, it is You (atma) that reveals them.
Question is specifically targeting the NATURE of the “Self-revealer” (atma).
Is the Self-revealer’s NATURE of Sunyata (a void, blackness, color-less, a boring presence without love perhaps, an eternal state of deep-sleep, an Alertful-being whose regretting they got enlightened as they badly miss the warm-earthly-hugs)?
None. Although deep-sleep is closest to non-dual bliss, it’s still covered by tama-guna, thus pitch-black nothingness; as good as non-existence. But as a teaching-metaphorical-tool, deep-sleep is valuable.
Answer is in last word of sat-cit-ānanda.
Yes, I exist (sat).
Yes, I am aware (cit) that I exist (sat).
But question will always beg, I am existent-awareful of WHAT SPECIFICALLY?
Thus last word completes: I am existent-awareful of I (ānanda).
Hence Ānanda is defining what YOU ARE in your pure unconditioned sat-cit Being.
All happiness of sentient beings (including Robert) in 3 periods of time is a physical manifestation of Your (sat-cit) ānanda.
Hence videhamukti (jivanmukta drops body) is permanently dropping the limiter-of-ānanda (upādhi; body-mind). Thus I (sat-cit-ānanda) enjoy myself as the limitless One.
ANSWER 2:
Nididhyasanam, specifically closed eye meditation, specifically samādhi is meant to directly answer the posed question. Because some highly intellectual minds need to compensate, not by MORE INTELLECTUAL REASONING, but by experience.
This is why we have arguments even in Advaita….
CASE 1: Some say, “You DON’T need to do closed-eye meditation” to understand the Reality without doubts. This is only TRUE to minds with a certain disposition.
CASE 2: Others in Advaita say, “You NEED to experience this Self-Knowledge by means of meditation”. This doesn’t negate the teaching “You’re always experience yourself whether meditate on it or not (as in CASE #1)”. Rather, the meditation is meant to QUIETEN the mind, until the ahamkara-mediator in samadhi, (a) subsides, and (b) There is direct recognition that, “I am actually MORE ALIVE and ALERT without thoughts/will/jivahood”.
This is why nirvikalpa’s are utterly USELESS. In nirvikalpa, no ahamkara is left, thus no introspection is possible. Thus aim for savikapa (ahamkara is present, but unconditioned by buddhi/manas/citta).
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Without a mind to cognise, how can it be said that we are ‘ aware’ of moksha?
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ANSWER 1:
Moksha is a mithya-concept used to indicate that the Robert-Buddhi is “in touch” with one more reality: Satyam.
“In touch” means: The mithya-buddhi intellectually recognizes through mithya-jñānam; that which makes this mithya-buddhi conscious is I (satyam; self-revealing presence).
Thus moksha is an intellectual recognition (arising in buddhi) of the satya-mithya relationship.
ANSWER 2:
You were enlightened all along. Buddhi made this ever-true-fact NOT so. Because buddhi discarded the Aware-ing-principle (sat-cit) as a mere product of body-mind sentience.
Vedanta comes in and says “No! The consciousness principle, which was FAMILIAR to you all along since a child, does NOT belong to mithya-body-mind, it actually is Brahman-satyam”.
Hearing this, Robert-buddhi concludes, “In that case, there’s nothing to be concerned about. Because concerns belong to mithya-body-mind, and it’s pretty clear that I am conscious. And since scriptures say Brahman (final reality) is Consciousness, that means I already “have” what was sought all these years”.
Very good question Robert. I’ve been thinking similar things. Looking forward to the answers.
John.
Hello Andre,
I wanted a bit more clarity on Karma Yoga. With regards to my professional work, I work with the desire to have more recognition, more money, more achievements. etc.. Would it still be Karma Yoga If I work with the same desires/material goals and at the same time see my act/work as a service to the divine? I’m still interested in the materialistic gains of my Karma.
The intention of my Karma is two fold now – To have more materialistic gains and also serve the Ishvara. Would this still be practising Karma Yoga? To me it feels like a spiritual bypassing. My understanding of Karma yoga is strictly doing Karma(your duty) to serve the divine and not work with a reward or materialistic gain in mind. Please help clear my confusion. Thanks in advance 🙂
Hi Aakash. In short, yes. It doesn’t matter what position we take. We can’t eliminate our svābhava that compels us to achieve/succeed in professional work.
Hence Karma-Yoga embraces material drives, but it adds one more layer: Attempt to recognize the presence of Ishvara as often as possible in our work. EG: Recognize Ishvara’s order in people we work with, the results of our actions, and our actions are only possible because of the Intelligent order.
The moment we take out God, it’s no longer Karma-Yoga, because goal becomes solely material success.
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To have more materialistic gains and also serve the Ishvara.
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We’re not trying to have materialistic gains. The materialistic gains are merely byproducts of our helpless nature to be involved in the world and serve the community.
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My understanding of Karma yoga is strictly doing Karma(your duty) to serve the divine and not work with a reward or materialistic gain in mind.
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Everything is already divine. So there’s no question of working for the divine. It’s only matter of ACTIVELY turning on our buddhi; turning on an extra level of mindfulness throughout our professional career.
What kind of mindfulness? All my actions are possible because of Him (since He is the creator). All my actions go to Him (in form of customers, world, stock market, nation, goverment).
Any doubts still?
Hello Acharya, thanks for response 🙂
From your response, my understanding is that it’s okay/natural to have materialistic desires from your actions if alongside you acknowledge the Ishvara aspect of your actions it would still be Karma Yoga.
My understanding is that Karma Yoga is a tool to slowly neutralise the desires of the mind making it fit for rest of the journey in one’s spiritual quest for Liberation(pls correct me if I’m wrong anywhere here).
So to practise Karma Yoga especially in regards to my professional work, where I have materialistic desires – is it that I continue working with the same desires alongside being mindful(as you mentioned above).
A succinct overview Aakash. Desires are Īśvara-sṛṣṭi (God’s order). To try to suppress it is to resists what-is. And all suffering in life can be summed up as: Resisting what is infront of me.
So instead of resisting (because we’re trying to live an imaginary desireless-idol), Karma-Yoga is about treating desires as a friend, but always enveloping it’s actions/words/thoughts with Reason, deliberation, consideration for your/others well-being. And all actions/results serve as reminder that the real boss for whom we work is God alone.
Another aspect is having a personal deity with whom one can always (mentally) relate to during stress. Logic of this is: If we don’t have a personal God-idol in our mind, the mind will worship advertisements/FB/news/friend conversations/past/stress.
This helps Acharya. Thanks for the reply and being patient with me 🙂 Mahadev bless you
You state:
“ I (atma) doesn’t need to know I(atma). “
You then offer the explanation:
“ Because I am self revealing. I am never not Present as the One because of whom I know that I AM”.
Q.
‘ Because of whom I know that I AM’.
Is the ‘I’ in ‘WhomI’ referring to Jiva or atma?
If it is the Jiva, then it seems to avoid my question.
If it is atma, then rather than explaining the statement
“ I atma, doesn’t need to know I,atma”
I think it is merely re stating it by saying essentially:
‘ because of whom I Atma know that iAM
Atma.
Do you find my objection valid?
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Is the ‘I’ in ‘WhomI’ referring to Jiva or atma?
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It’s referring to ātmā. Atma validates the existence of the jiva. Jiva doesn’t validate atma. Because jiva is insentient/inert.
Demonstrate that jiva is insentient/inert (otherwise NOT conscious)…
a) Why is the body NOT consciousness? If the body was conscious/sentient, then (1) the body would never die (since consciousness is formless, eternal and attribute-less). (2) If body was cut, person would be less conscious.
b) Why is mind NOT consciousness? (1) If it was conscious, then it would never cease (EG: Would remain conscious in deep sleep and coma). (2) Mind is influenced by drugs (which is matter). Thus mind is matter order-of-reality, and not consciousness order-of-reality. If mind was Consciousness, then it would remain unaffected by matter-related experiences (drugs, fear, love). (3) Since consciousness is one and the same (attributeless), then if one person has a thought in mind, then that thought would appear in all minds.
Furthermore, both body and subtle-mind are changing. Meaning “NOW” has no connection to “NOW”. Between the two NOW’s, body has changed, so has the thoughts/emotions/memories. Meaning it can’t be the body-mind that’s providing a sense of continuity of one’s existence.
It’s as if, I (atma), am wearing different people every microsecond. And each changing person, is conscious because of the one unchanging Conscious Self pervading it’s buddhi.
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‘ because of whom I (Atma) know that iAM
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Correctly stated.
A succinct overview Aakash. Desires are Īśvara-sṛṣṭi (God’s order). To try to suppress it is to resists what-is. And all suffering in life can be summed up as: Resisting what is infront of me.
So instead of resisting (because we’re trying to live an imaginary desireless-idol), Karma-Yoga is about treating desires as a friend, but always enveloping it’s actions/words/thoughts with Reason, deliberation, consideration for your/others well-being. And all actions/results serve as reminder that the real boss for whom we work is God alone.
Another aspect is having a personal deity with whom one can always (mentally) relate to during stress. Logic of this is: If we don’t have a personal God-idol in our mind, the mind will worship advertisements/FB/news/friend conversations/past/stress.